Sean T. Collins has written about comics and popular culture professionally since 2001 and on this very blog since 2003. He has written for Maxim, The Comics Journal, Stuff, Wizard, A&F Quarterly, Comic Book Resources, Giant, ToyFare, The Onion, The Comics Reporter and more. His comics have been published by Top Shelf, Partyka, and Family Style. He blogs here and at Robot 6.
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* This month, Partyka's Guest Artist is...Partyka's Matt Wiegle, who in addition to daily sketches is posting his sumptuous illustrations for Barnes & Noble's Sparknotes series. This one's from Huckleberry Finn.
* Forget the colorforms gimmick aspect: I'd take either half of the cover for Superman: The Man of Steel #30 as-is and be perfectly happy. Wouldn't you?
I don't have much of a use for Hot Topic, but I like that it exists.
This is because it democratizes punk by commodifying it. If you're a thirteen year old from the suburbs, you don't need to run the gauntlet of gate keepers to invest in a subculture; you just need to convince your mom to drop $20 on a t-shirt for you. Liberating!
Amen, except for the part about not having much use for Hot Topic--I started shopping there as an adult. (Via Nate Patrin.)
Without reaching to the Soviet bloc for examples, one case of such an artificial and untenable code is the American demand that all politicians be monogamous and drug-free. The press both creates this untenable expectation and exploits violations in order to entrench its power over the political system.
The demand that political journalists either not hold, or never express, their own political opinions is another such artificial and untenable code. Politically interested actors who attempt to enforce this code by revealing the private convictions of reporters do not have the moral goal of ensuring that political reporters have no political opinions; such a goal would be absurd. Rather, they aim to aggrandise their power over journalistic organisations by exacerbating the hypocrisy of those organisations' official codes of conduct, and then exploiting evidence of that hypocrisy when useful.
A while back I realized why the press focuses so much on "hypocrisy," and "flip-flopping." In the "he said/he said" framework that the establishment media deems the only acceptable way to convey news, it's verboten to discuss whether what either side "said" is factually accurate, let alone practically desirable, let alone morally sound. No, the only standard to which any political actor can be held is the standard he sets for himself. Thus, the gravest sin a politician can commit is "flip-flopping" from a previously articulated position, even if this is the result of a perfectly rational evolution of opinion rather than some craven cave-in to the prevailing political winds. In the eyes of the establishment press, you're much better off holding and sticking with a completely odious position than you are ever changing your mind one way or the other. (Via Andrew Sullivan.)
In comics, there's a lot of evidence of devaluing entertainment and fun, especially within the current indie and underground spheres, instead focusing on a tone of pseudo-artistic seriousness and pretension.
Ben says this sort of thing all the time, like in every interview he does. And I eat up all of his comics and all of his interviews with a spoon. Yet at the same time, when I see bloggers say stuff like that, dismiss huge swathes of alternative comics by reducing them to an easily mocked stereotype, I pretty much flip out. What's up? Well, here's the part where I'd take a page from Tom Spurgeon and say it's okay for an artist to say things we wouldn't accept from a critic if those things are obviously said in service the sort of art they make. In terms of his personal satisfaction as a comics reader or his utility as a critic, I think he's shooting himself in the foot by writing off alternative comics, but that's not the issue. Po-faced trash is what gets Ben fired up as a creator, and he's excellent at making it himself, so it's hard to hold his biases against him.
But wait! I've done exactly that when I've seen other artists pull similar stunts--cf. my reaction every time Alan Moore lambastes Hollywood filmmaking in one breath while saying he doesn't watch any of it with the next, or dismisses superhero comics as a creatively bankrupt regurgitation of other people's ideas. What's the difference? Well, it's specific to Moore. Here's a guy who's made his career out of drawing sophisticated adult ideas from pop, pulp, trash, and kids' stuff, whether we're talking about Marvelman, Watchmen, Lost Girls, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, even From Hell to an extent. That makes it extra-frustrating when he dismisses today's pop/pulp/trash out of hand, or acts as though he has a principled objection to working with other people's ideas.
So what's the difference between me saying this and people making fun of John Kerry? I like to think that in my case, first of all, the "hypocrisy" angle isn't nearly as important as whether or not good or crap art is made as a result. I'd be perfectly happy to attack or defend Moore as an artist rather than as a person who did one thing but said another. Moreover, it's not just the hypocrisy that rankles, it's the fact that Alan Moore, of all people, oughta know better, right? We expect more from him because he's displayed such a nuanced understanding of how much is really going on under the surface of storybooks and Victorian adventure novels and Captain Marvel knock-offs and Ripperology and on and on and on. So in the end the comparison with Marra's oft-articulated viewpoint on literary comics isn't even the right one to make--it'd be more apt if Marra was making Night Business while dismissing Rambo, not dismissing, I dunno, Asterios Polyp.
* Oh yeah: Benjamin Marra drew a picture of Sylvester Stallone in Cobra.
No. But that's because it's almost impossible for me to conceive of him dismissing it on the grounds that, like, violent action movies are no good, or some similar principled objection. Maybe because he simply prefers Red Dawn...
Well—and I can't really believe that I'm arguing about this, but it's kind of fun—Moore doesn't dismiss contemporary comics on the grounds that superhero comics can't be good, only that they used to be better. And Marra, I'm guessing, would agree that contemporary action movies used to be better, too!
Also, the other part of your comparison that isn't quite right is that for the two things to be equivalent, Marra would have to be one of the greatest action-movie directors of all time, and have created the movies that were being ripped off, etc, etc. But I know you weren't trying to write anything that would hold up in court.
The main thing I think is that yes, it's crazy for you to get angry at Moore for this stuff, just as it would be crazy to get angry at Ben. But it's entertaining to read you when you're angry, so whatever.
Well, yeah, the relative status of Moore and Ben was sort of my point of why it's easier to give Ben a pass than Moore. But in general you're right, I'm not trying to write something that holds up in court--I'm sure you got my drift. 'Sides, I was talking about Marra on literary comics, not Marra on action movies, to begin with.
I promise I'm not angry at Moore. I just think he's wrong and that this particular brand of wrongness is lame and square and kind of funny given his own professional history. Then I move on and read my downloaded copy of Marvelman. Anger doesn't enter into it for me pretty much ever about anything that has to do with art or criticism. Except about Bon Jovi.
Ah, well I can nitpick back and forth about some of this, but it's probably not worth it. I understand your point, but don't really agree that Ben should get a pass if Moore doesn't. I say give them both passes.
I mean, personally, I get angry about art and criticism all the time. But!: Not about what artists say about it. I think Ben's mostly wrong (@ "indie" comics) and Moore's mostly right (@ superhero comics & movie adaptations), but since neither of them are critics, I don't much care either way about their aesthetic remarks. Those interest me only in terms of what they (potentially) reveal about the artists themselves and their own work. (The equation obviously changes when you're talking about artists who are also critics.) But anyway.
RE Bon Jovi, I recently moved to New Jersey, and had no idea until now how beloved they apparently still are here. A short while back, they played the Meadowlands, and a parade of BJ fans wearing capes and makeup shouted its way through the aisles of my train home. It was kind of dispiriting.
I wouldn't call what you're doing "nitpicking" so much as "trying in vain to decipher things Sean is saying that are vague and make sense only to him," so don't sweat it.
For me, artists, critics, whoever, they're all people, and so to the extent that I like talking about art and criticism and sorting that sort of stuff out, I'll talk about it regarding whoever.
Re: "giving Ben a pass," that's another clumsy choice of words on my part. With Ben, I still think he's wrong, but it's basically just like, "Oh, that Marra!" With Moore it's not like I care deeply that he spouts off about stuff he then says he doesn't actually watch/read, it's more a "Wait, Alan Moore said that? Oh brother."
Comments (7)
Sure, but would you really be pissed off if Ben Marra dismissed RAMBO?
(I wouldn't.)
Posted by T. Hodler | June 30, 2010 5:28 PM
No. But that's because it's almost impossible for me to conceive of him dismissing it on the grounds that, like, violent action movies are no good, or some similar principled objection. Maybe because he simply prefers Red Dawn...
Posted by Sean T. Collins | June 30, 2010 7:15 PM
Well—and I can't really believe that I'm arguing about this, but it's kind of fun—Moore doesn't dismiss contemporary comics on the grounds that superhero comics can't be good, only that they used to be better. And Marra, I'm guessing, would agree that contemporary action movies used to be better, too!
Also, the other part of your comparison that isn't quite right is that for the two things to be equivalent, Marra would have to be one of the greatest action-movie directors of all time, and have created the movies that were being ripped off, etc, etc. But I know you weren't trying to write anything that would hold up in court.
The main thing I think is that yes, it's crazy for you to get angry at Moore for this stuff, just as it would be crazy to get angry at Ben. But it's entertaining to read you when you're angry, so whatever.
Posted by T. Hodler | June 30, 2010 7:55 PM
Well, yeah, the relative status of Moore and Ben was sort of my point of why it's easier to give Ben a pass than Moore. But in general you're right, I'm not trying to write something that holds up in court--I'm sure you got my drift. 'Sides, I was talking about Marra on literary comics, not Marra on action movies, to begin with.
I promise I'm not angry at Moore. I just think he's wrong and that this particular brand of wrongness is lame and square and kind of funny given his own professional history. Then I move on and read my downloaded copy of Marvelman. Anger doesn't enter into it for me pretty much ever about anything that has to do with art or criticism. Except about Bon Jovi.
Posted by Sean T. Collins | June 30, 2010 9:07 PM
Ah, well I can nitpick back and forth about some of this, but it's probably not worth it. I understand your point, but don't really agree that Ben should get a pass if Moore doesn't. I say give them both passes.
I mean, personally, I get angry about art and criticism all the time. But!: Not about what artists say about it. I think Ben's mostly wrong (@ "indie" comics) and Moore's mostly right (@ superhero comics & movie adaptations), but since neither of them are critics, I don't much care either way about their aesthetic remarks. Those interest me only in terms of what they (potentially) reveal about the artists themselves and their own work. (The equation obviously changes when you're talking about artists who are also critics.) But anyway.
RE Bon Jovi, I recently moved to New Jersey, and had no idea until now how beloved they apparently still are here. A short while back, they played the Meadowlands, and a parade of BJ fans wearing capes and makeup shouted its way through the aisles of my train home. It was kind of dispiriting.
Posted by T. Hodler | July 1, 2010 11:51 AM
I wouldn't call what you're doing "nitpicking" so much as "trying in vain to decipher things Sean is saying that are vague and make sense only to him," so don't sweat it.
For me, artists, critics, whoever, they're all people, and so to the extent that I like talking about art and criticism and sorting that sort of stuff out, I'll talk about it regarding whoever.
Re: "giving Ben a pass," that's another clumsy choice of words on my part. With Ben, I still think he's wrong, but it's basically just like, "Oh, that Marra!" With Moore it's not like I care deeply that he spouts off about stuff he then says he doesn't actually watch/read, it's more a "Wait, Alan Moore said that? Oh brother."
Posted by Sean T. Collins | July 1, 2010 7:28 PM
Fair enough. My comments were pedantic and boring, anyway. Off to the suicide booth!
Posted by T. Hodler | July 2, 2010 11:04 AM